I know he'll need save some start up money so I VOLUNTEER to help. I'll be fashion coordinator.

Well said Springer!!!

29 Dreams is in a wet county (Shelby) but has to have club status to serve on Sundays and to avoid stupid restrictions. They would have never gotten a license without the club status. It is an interesting story of what they went through to get a liquor license. Ask Tim about it some day.

Ha! Yep that's what I'm talking about and why I said a dry part (or something to that effect) in my post. Alabama liquor laws are as messed up as its constitution. I mean you live in a "wet" county and can not buy beer on Sundays.(Parts of Shelby) The county next to yours is "wet" and sells on Sunday. (Jefferson) the county next to that one (Walker) is dry but the city of Jasper is wet. I'm telling ya'll following the logic in this is like tracing my family tree. Go more than a generation back (or a county away) can get mighty confusing!

Seems funny that Harley's place gets $5 a year for membership, but Tim wants $5 a day. 

I think Tim has priced himself out of business.  Don't get me wrong; I used to go there every weekend with several of my friends.  That's back when the yearly memberships where $5.  My membership number was in the 3000's.  One of my friend's number was in the hundreds.  Back then you could hardly find a place to park, it was so crowded on Saturday and Sunday afternoons.  Now, you go by there and it's a ghost town.  People don't stop because they know it's going to cost them just to walk in the door.  $5 a day is outrageous for the privilege of buying an overpriced burger and an exorbitantly priced beer.  My view is that there comes a point when charging more for memberships doesn't make you more money, it makes you less money, because less people will pay the higher rate.  One of you said that you don't stop there when riding with out of town friends because they don't want to pay the $5.  If the daily pass was $1, you'd probably stop.  That way Tim would get a dollar for each of your friends plus whatever food and drinks they bought.  At $5, he get nothing, because you keep on riding.  That's what I do these days; keep on riding.

I don't have a problem with the membership fee. I paid it gladly to support him. I didn't even mind so much when it went from $15 to $29. I just think he should rethink the $5 day pass. As I said I used to stop by there nearly ever weekend and would sometimes bring a friend or two. Most of the time they were from out of town and they would just pay the $1.

I'm just sad that I can't stop there anymore. If I have people with me I can't stop because when they hear that they have to pay $5 to park their bike while they eat their $8 burger they look at me like I'm retarded.

I think Tim's supporters are missing the point. I, and it sounds like others here, just want to be able to stop in and grab a bite to eat while out riding in a great area. We're fine with him making money but he's chased us away by making it difficult for us to stop in. I can't stop there now unless I'm alone or with one of the few people that I know who have a membership.

Like I and another poster stated already, his ill thought out plan to increase the day pass fee has probably hurt his profits more than its helped. I used to stop in there all the time and actually spend money instead of just hanging out like a majority of the people that stop there now. Sometimes I would stop in the morning and get breakfast and then stop for lunch or dinner too. I know I'm not the only one that stopped going and everyone I talk to says the same thing. Its not the increased membership fee. Its the $5 day pass fee. I can't justify paying for a yearly membership fee when I know that most of the time I'm not going to be able to use it anyway. That place used to be packed and now its a ghost town. I wonder how much money he's lost all over that one decision that he thought was going to increase his profits.

Bringing up the liquor license and club status thing is irrelevant. He had a liquor license and country club status when the day pass fee was $1. He said he increased the day pass fee to keep out the riff raff and encourage people to become members that normally would just pay the $1 since they knew they wouldn't come more than 29 times a year. That's fine too but leave some sort of policy that allows guests or something so members can actually use their memberships. He sure did chase away the riff raff. There must have been a lot of riff raff because I rarely ever see more than 5 to 10 bikes out there anymore and he used to get so many it was hard to find a place to park.

I used to bring people there all the time. I used to love the place. I miss it. Its sad to see how he pissed away a good thing. He could have made decent money. If he wasn't making money with the $1 day pass and the place packed he was doing something terribly wrong. He made a few bad decisions and I doubt he'll ever be able to get back what he pissed away.

Before the day pass price hike he talked about closing the place and I and many others didn't want to see that happen. I was fine with the increased membership fee and renewed gladly because I was happy to see the place was staying open. I used it so infrequently because I couldn't get anyone else to stop there that it was pointless to renew it again. Now I ride by and couldn't care less if they shut the place down. Honestly I hope eventually he'll sell it to someone that knows how to run a business and will take advantage of the potential that place has.

You didn't.  We're liable to jet off in discussion about anything at anytime. 

... and we usually do. 

Come on lets all have some beers and listen to the band.   

Tell me about it. I got nabbed for VPL (violation of prohibition law) in Bibb county for posessing 4 beers out in the middle of the woods. (dry county). It cost me &475 and is still on my almost spotless record.

Heck yeah Springer..Just give me a call when you need a harem handler.... 

Pimpmiester "OOTS"