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Offline LawnmowerRG

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« on: June 20, 2016, 10:05:25 PM »
Here is an article by Motorcycle.com about the subject and how to do it properly.

http://www.motorcycle.com/features/riding-with-a-gun.html
 
The teaser video.
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2016, 10:23:10 PM »
I'm suddenly feeling like Alabama is a bit more free than certain other places.....

Around here it's to easy not to get a carry permit. Then you don't have to worry about it.

I'll admit when I clicked on this topic I figured it was going to be good techniques for concealing while riding and keeping dirt out of your gun, etc.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2016, 08:07:53 AM »
Griff my friend we could go there.

I was thinking of this in the terms of our people that travel on a bike and how to keep out of jail in those unfriendly areas.
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 08:23:35 AM »
Concealed carry does sound a lot easier, but is it reciprocal for all states?  I don't carry so I've never checked into it.

What I need to learn is proper techniques for firing a handgun from a moving motorcycle ala SOA.  After all, I ride with both a Masonic and a Baptist church group and you never know when a rival from the Knights of Columbus or some angry Methodist biker is going to start a fight.  How on earth can I fire with my acceleration hand like all the tough bikers on TV?  ;D

Actually,  I wasn't aware that a gun had to be carried in a separate locked compartment without driver access.  I've certainly carried my shotgun in the car and wouldn't have hesitated to place a handgun in my saddlebag for transport thinking I was legally clear as long as it wasn't in my vest.

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2016, 08:59:58 AM »
Concealed carry does sound a lot easier, but is it reciprocal for all states?  I don't carry so I've never checked into it.

What I need to learn is proper techniques for firing a handgun from a moving motorcycle ala SOA.  After all, I ride with both a Masonic and a Baptist church group and you never know when a rival from the Knights of Columbus or some angry Methodist biker is going to start a fight.  How on earth can I fire with my acceleration hand like all the tough bikers on TV?  ;D

Actually,  I wasn't aware that a gun had to be carried in a separate locked compartment without driver access.  I've certainly carried my shotgun in the car and wouldn't have hesitated to place a handgun in my saddlebag for transport thinking I was legally clear as long as it wasn't in my vest.

Alabama concealed carry permits are reciprocal in all immediately surrounding states and over half the states in the country.  The closest state that doesn't honor it is South Carolina.  There are only a few states that are real assholes about guns.  New York, CA and Ma come to mind but there's a few more, none around here.

I agree with Griff, it's so easy to get a concealed permit in AL there's no reason not to.  With the permit you don't have to worry much about transporting a hand gun.  Just keep in mind there are some places you still can't take that gun even in a locked container such as on military bases.


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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 09:20:14 AM »
Actually,  I wasn't aware that a gun had to be carried in a separate locked compartment without driver access.  I've certainly carried my shotgun in the car and wouldn't have hesitated to place a handgun in my saddlebag for transport thinking I was legally clear as long as it wasn't in my vest.

The difference is lawfuly concealed carry -vs- transporting a firearm. They are distinctly different and can have significant legal ramifications if both are not understood and the corresponding laws observed.

Two very good resources whether you are in an auto or on a motorcycle.

Also, I keep copies of Alabama reciprocity map and Duty to inform map in my wallet next to my CCP.

I think I will also print out the federal law shown in the video regarding lawful transport (as opposed to lawful concealed carry)

http://www.ago.state.al.us/Page-Gun-Reprocity-Law

http://concealednation.org/2015/07/do-you-have-a-duty-to-inform-when-carrying-concealed-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/

And a real good tool to build a map and print it out for carrying in your wallet/purse.

http://concealednation.org/2015/07/do-you-have-a-duty-to-inform-when-carrying-concealed-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2016, 01:47:07 PM »
print this in color, trim and laminate, and put in wallet....


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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2016, 04:38:20 PM »
Actually,  I wasn't aware that a gun had to be carried in a separate locked compartment without driver access.  I've certainly carried my shotgun in the car and wouldn't have hesitated to place a handgun in my saddlebag for transport thinking I was legally clear as long as it wasn't in my vest.

The difference is lawfuly concealed carry -vs- transporting a firearm. They are distinctly different and can have significant legal ramifications if both are not understood and the corresponding laws observed.

Two very good resources whether you are in an auto or on a motorcycle.

Also, I keep copies of Alabama reciprocity map and Duty to inform map in my wallet next to my CCP.

I think I will also print out the federal law shown in the video regarding lawful transport (as opposed to lawful concealed carry)

http://www.ago.state.al.us/Page-Gun-Reprocity-Law

http://concealednation.org/2015/07/do-you-have-a-duty-to-inform-when-carrying-concealed-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/

And a real good tool to build a map and print it out for carrying in your wallet/purse.

http://concealednation.org/2015/07/do-you-have-a-duty-to-inform-when-carrying-concealed-we-look-at-all-50-states-for-the-answers/

The reprocity list is out of date.  Add Ohio to the list.  Also, several states don't require a permit so they don't need reprocity, such as Vermont.

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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2016, 05:12:22 PM »
I carried an ar and a shotgun slung across my back with a pistol on my hip to go to a 3 gun match once. Hoover PD pulled me over and asked where i was headed once i told them they let me go without further complications. Still working on a quick access mount for my pistol grip 12 guage (for no other reason than because....)

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« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2016, 07:03:01 PM »
open carry is legal without permit, if you get inside a vehicle it is considered concealed so now you need a permit. btw, sitting on a motorcycle is considered inside a vehicle so it is technically concealed at that point and you need a permit. I found this out at a "random" driver license check. looked it up and it was right. I have a permit so it wound up not being a big deal other than a patrolman going all martin riggs on me for a few minutes lol.
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2016, 09:31:39 PM »
Personally I open or conceal carry most of the time.

Brian that is a good idea. I have not thought of carrying those with me.
I know LEOs have an enormous amount of rules and regs to remember. Plus things changing on them.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2016, 12:20:41 AM »
Personally I open or conceal carry most of the time.

Same here. In fact I often open carry while riding.

I've gotta disagree with something from the article, though: if I'm transporting an unloaded gun in a backpack, saddlebag or whatever, I have absolutely no intention of declaring it if I happen to be stopped. First of all, it's not his concern. I mean that literally; the federal peaceable journey law supersedes local and state laws if I am doing it properly. Second, it's none of his business (which sounds similar but is not quite the same): if I happen to be doing it wrong (due to a mistake or misreading of the law) or his jurisdiction or the individual cop doesn't agree with that law or whatever, I have the right as guaranteed by the 4th and 5th Amendments to go my way without volunteering to be detained and searched.
Third, also related: some jurisdictions do indeed consider that law null and void as a practical matter, and some of those jurisdictions consider it a felony offense.

I carried this way when I had to cross about 30 miles of Maryland last year. I stopped in WV and took a leak, ate a bite, filled the tank and secured my pistol before entering MD; then drove straight across without stopping. Did the same in PA before entering MD on the return trip.

The article invokes the "must inform" law that some states have (NC being the closest to us; also SC but they don't honor our CCW anyway); but those laws apply to CCW, not unloaded transport per the federal law.

Military bases are a different matter, as Klaviator pointed out. Tribal reservations may be too, if you leave the highway. I may or may not have traveled some backroads in the Navajo nation while carrying, but in retrospect that might be taking a chance.